Banned for hacking

When are you gonna stop talking ffs

jbuffethed wrote:

When are you gonna stop talking ffs

No one is forcing you to read.

NomNom wrote:

No one is forcing you to read.

STOP COMPLAINING. You were banned for a reason. You pleaded your case. Deal with it until the elders make a decision to overturn or not.

jbuffethed wrote:

NomNom wrote:

No one is forcing you to read.

STOP COMPLAINING. You were banned for a reason. You pleaded your case. Deal with it until the elders make a decision to overturn or not.

I'm not complaining. Maybe you should learn to express yourself without shouting and cursing.

I think you are complaining. You are here aren't you? If you weren't
complaining, you would take the ban as it is and leave it at that. why
is it you want back in to our server so bad anyways? do you rant like this every time you are banned?

jbuffethed wrote:

I think you are complaining. You are here aren't you? If you weren't
complaining, you would take the ban as it is and leave it at that. why
is it you want back in to our server so bad anyways? do you rant like this every time you are banned?

I defended my case and the rest of my posts were providing proof and responding to comments. As for your questions, you can find the answers in earlier posts in this thread.

Your answer is in post #2. No need to drag this on anymore.

I haved played BG11 on Axxium I always thought he hacked. If I was commanding and he was on my team 99% of the time you would win. Stinger always said that BG11 was hacking but could get no proof.

Major-Disastor wrote:

I haved played BG11 on Axxium I always thought he hacked. If I was commanding and he was on my team 99% of the time you would win. Stinger always said that BG11 was hacking but could get no proof.

How's it going buddy? Long time no see.


So have you guys deliberated?

NomNom wrote:

So have you guys deliberated?

You will be unbanned tomorrow Saturday 24.
Anyway, If you are hacking, you will be banned again and the ban will be permanent.

gblancov wrote:

NomNom wrote:

So have you guys deliberated?

Anyway, If you are hacking, you will be banned again and the ban will be permanent.

So I shouldn't have a problem then.

we will be taking sceen shots,and i will look at them as they are takin

walk wisly,there are alot of puddles out there

**Ehh, this ended up way longer than I thought.**

I saw BG playing on your server last night and wanted to play with him, but alas, he was banned before I got the chance to. Due to boredom and free time, I came here and read through all this and figured since I've played with BG a lot in the past, I'd throw my two cents in. It's funny how typically only really good players are actually any good at differentiating between skill and cheating. BG and his brother are two of the best wake whores I've ever seen, infantry, armor, choppers and jets, they're well ahead the average player in every aspect of the game.

fibtech wrote:

BG11 is obviously the best player in the game. I would say suspicion is warranted. Mindless accusations? Not so much. A 26.18 KDR in the Jet is off the chart.

Yeah, he's good. Not the best by any means, just smarter and better than 99% of people who play on public servers. And if you're basing your accusation off of stats, I pray that you're not an admin. A 26 KDR in jets from a wake whore is too easy if you bail, which BG does.

gblancov wrote:

Personaly I use stats to check if a player is dirty. If the stats shows something is not right, like favorite victim 200 times killed, that means that player is not clean.

Once again, if you use stats to make a case against a cheater, I hope you're not an admin. 200 kills on a favorite victim does not imply cheating/hacking.

gblancov wrote:

We have players real good and our experience teached us when something its not normal.

No offense, but your players are average or less than and I don't think any possess the skill sets to differentiate cheaters from good players. As I said, I mean no offense, just being honest.

DangerousDoug wrote:

You are either the best BF2 player in the world, Or you are using a radar Hack.

This coming from the guy who once accused me of cheating for being the gunner in the Cobra when PLA had one flag. Yeah, real hard to know where the enemy is when they're pinned down to one flag. As BG himself stated, it's called spotting and if he didn't spot, it's called in-game IQ. Most players are lemmings and do the same things over and over. Good players notice these patterns and can deduce their enemies thought process and know what they're doing, where they are going before they even do it themselves. And just to reiterate, it's called spotting. I don't think I've ever been in a game with BG where he hasn't been spotting for more than 5 seconds.

gblancov wrote:

I trust in our experienced admin players.

NomNom wrote:

Well the problem is with the "experienced" admins. How can an admin who's not on the same level judge whether I hack or not? ... the people that banned me are simply not qualified enough to judge.

This.

MADMULLET wrote:

As for judging people in the cyber world it is based on a maturity level that is measured with knowledge and experience.I have known my fellow admins for quite sometime,and for them to be ran through the mixer as you are claiming they are not on your level is plaine disturbing.

They are not on his level. Period.

E641 wrote:

A video can be provided with any hacks turned off to say "Hey look at me, I am not cheating" (now, that is) but that is not proof either.

His PB screenshots are clean, PB scans find nothing, he doesn't have any global GUID bans and he provided a video of himself playing in the first person which displays no cheats. What is he supposed to do then? If anything, he's provided more proof of him being a legit player than anyone has of him being a cheater.

E641 wrote:

Plus it is a little presumptuous to put yourself on a pedestal and say there are only a few good players like the ones that you mentioned in your post. Seems that you think that your request is not going your way so you are now saying that you are just leagues above everyone else in this game?

To be honest, he is above any public player I've ever seen. I have never come across another public player who is as good at every facet of the game as he is. There are players that are better than him at some things, but no one that is as good as him at everything. Of course the request isn't going his way, this clan can't provide a single shred of evidence that he is indeed a cheater and yet they're still labeling him as such.

fibtech wrote:

Please explain how Doug's post implies a lack of understanding of the BF2 spotting system. I'm guessing that someone ranked 43 in the world as commander has a firm grasp on the capabilities of the position. Also, while i appreciate the effort to create a video, it proves nothing. I assume turning off the hacks before hitting record is not beyond the realm of possibility.

Doug's ability as a commander isn't in question here(I personally recall him being an excellent commander). His overall ability as a player is, since, you need an advanced understanding of all aspects of the game in order to determine the difference between someone who is good and someone who is cheating.

fibtech wrote:

Statistics do tell a story. There is a learning curve involved in mastering the jet and if this was a second account for you I might be convinced that the majority of your deaths were sustained on a previous account. Stuffrider is a good example of this. His obviously new account was opened April of '08, but his KDR is still "only" 13. We've all been playing fps games for years and attributing your vastly superior KDR (lack of dieing) to a vast majority of bad players is unconvincing. Can you really say a 26 KDR is no big feat, when compared to these other excellent pilots?

Player___________Kills______Deaths_____KDR

AOD|manta______24,816_____2,583______10.3724
ViperGTS1998____26,169_____4,034______7.0776
Jayballls_________38,730_____3,346_____12.5039
iferno666________43,813_____3,968_____11.8999
stuffrider________ 5,832______453_______13.9007
BG11___________14,524______595______26.1261

Personally, I think you should be unbanned. It would be quite an accomplishment, statistically speaking, to kill you. Your SPM on our server is excellent but not unbelievable.

All of those pilots are FAR from excellent. Above average at best. Even BG isn't that great of a jet pilot. He's good at raping, surviving and bailing when he's in trouble or when he needs to keep flags for his team. And 26 KDR isn't a big feat, especially if you bail. Once again, stop running to stats as if it proves anything. I know you can't find anything else on him, but come on, using stats is like clutching at straws.

NomNom wrote:

Akillesblood wrote:

... especially when ya diss our brethren wtf call your self that upper level (God mode)

Your "brethern" already put me on that level by singling me out as a hacker while I and any of my friends that saw me play in real life know I don't hack. I just pointed out that they're right, I'm a bit better, but not by way of hacking.
I'm going out of my way on this because bf2 is getting ridiculous. I stop playing, I come back to play once in a while, I see the same people, higher ranks, no improvement. There's no sense of competition, if someone's better than you, he gets banned. No one wants/tries to learn, no one tries to improve, just the same people playing in their shell. Servers with more and more noob friendly rules, don't attack the carrier, don't steal vehicles, don't solo, don't jump, hell don't even dare shooting.
I'm banned from most of the servers on my favorites for "hacking" and it doesn't take me long to get banned on new ones. It's just sad. The only server where there was good competition and a decent admin team (axxium) is no longer up. I consider your server to be the 2nd best wake server behind it in terms of rules and competition and that's why I decided to fight my case here just like I did when they first banned me from Axxium.
In general though, I'm pretty fed up, when someone accuses me I always take it as a compliment and laugh it off but it's kind of going too far.

Truth.

R.Satterwhite wrote:

Well guys if our two best hacker-catchers agree this guy is not cheating and the ban be lifted then we need to issue a formal apology and welcome him to the server. I'm not comfortable with all the shit thats been talked on here and no proof to go with it and back it up after all this time. Continue the investigation but save the smack til you've got something concrete cause we look like sniveling punks.

This is what I like to see from admins and I'm glad you can set aside pride for your clan to come out and say something like this.


I played with BG11 for a long time on Wake Wake Axxium. During that time, I never once suspected him of cheating. The thought never crossed my mind. I even learned how to be a more effective squad leader by playing with him. I defend him because I know he's not a hack and there's nothing more discouraging than being banned simply for playing the only way you know how. What is he supposed to do? Play like an idiot because if he doesn't he won't have anywhere to play at all? That seems like the case for most servers these days, including yours. His brother and I were banned from *LOD* wake a few days ago and I'm guessing due to that, BG can no longer play there either and he must be running out of places to play. If you're going to ban him, say it's for playing above the accepted skill level since, until you can prove otherwise, that's exactly what you're banning him for.

I'll leave with a quote from someone's sig on another forum:

"Unless you're an incredibly talented player, chances are you don't possess the necessary metacognition required to successfully differentiate between skill and artificial aids: in other words, unless it's blatantly obvious, please avoid accusing everyone of cheating simply because your skills are insufficient."

If I'm not mistaken, several of our clan members were in the top 100 players in the world last year.

I was 49th in the world on Wake Island, 59th in a chopper. Ferno was in the top 50 in a jet. Bluegrass was 3rd in the world with the Eryx. And the list goes on and on...

We have over a dozen 3 stars in the clan, the vast majority of them highly skilled, and I've faced them all a thousand times. I faced off v. the #1 ground combat player in the world a number of times and got my ass handed to me, fair and square.

So I know what a skilled player is, better than most, in fact.

But when a player one-shots me 7 times in a row, I become suspicious, particularly when the situation requires an all but impossible shot. And the best ground player in the world never one-shoted me, head-to-head not a single time.

So who is the BG11? Apparently he's a one-shot wizard, no matter who he's up against, no matter the situation. And when he shoots choppers down, there is never the sound of a single round hitting the body of the chopper.

I've been gunned down in choppers a thousand times, but never without hearing a single round. Never.

I didn't ban him and don't give a fuck if he's banned or not. In fact, I spoke on his behalf early on.

Yesterday, I kicked him and told him to log back in without the "gsinterpolationtime" hit box enhancement code as entered into our console according to PunkBusted logs.

When he returned a moment later, another clan member banned him.

That's the extent of my involvement, however it works out.

Happy Killing.

Dog

xXDom wrote:

gblancov wrote:

Personaly I use stats to check if a player is dirty. If the stats shows something is not right, like favorite victim 200 times killed, that means that player is not clean.

Once again, if you use stats to make a case against a cheater, I hope you're not an admin. 200 kills on a favorite victim does not imply cheating/hacking.

200 kills on a favorite victim means the player was stat padding, there is no way to get those kills in a normal way.
And yes, I am admin.

xXDom wrote:

No offense, but your players are average or less than and I don't think any possess the skill sets to differentiate cheaters from good players. As I said, I mean no offense, just being honest.

You dont know our players skills as good as we know.
We play with them everyday and we know them since too many years.
So, dont talk about about our players skills.
No offense, being honest too.

xXDom wrote:

His PB screenshots are clean, PB scans find nothing, he doesn't have any global GUID bans and he provided a video of himself playing in the first person which displays no cheats. What is he supposed to do then? If anything, he's provided more proof of him being a legit player than anyone has of him being a cheater.

Are you trying to be innocent or ignorant ? No offense, I am being honest.
Screenshots blockers exist.
Screenshots does not prove all existing hacks.
Screenshots are only useful to use it on services like punkbusted.com and pbbans.com, and we are using those services in our server.
Those services catch the noobs hackers only.

fibtech wrote:

Please explain how Doug's post implies a lack of understanding of the BF2 spotting system. I'm guessing that someone ranked 43 in the world as commander has a firm grasp on the capabilities of the position. Also, while i appreciate the effort to create a video, it proves nothing. I assume turning off the hacks before hitting record is not beyond the realm of possibility.

xXDom wrote:

Doug's ability as a commander isn't in question here(I personally recall him being an excellent commander). His overall ability as a player is, since, you need an advanced understanding of all aspects of the game in order to determine the difference between someone who is good and someone who is cheating.

NomNom wrote:

gblancov wrote:

NomNom wrote:

Of course many hacks are undetected by punkbuster, that's exactly why every server should use the punkbuster screenshot feature (which yours does).

I know all about those screenshots you posted.
punkbuster and screenshots are a joke.
punkbuster exist to ban globally a player.
We care about our server.
If we catch a hacker with screenshots we are reporting them to punkbusted, but we really care about our server not the other servers.
if you catch a hacker using screenshots that means that hacker is a noob.
screenshot blockers exist.
I dont trust screenshots.
I trust in our experienced admin players.
If you make a suspicious shot nothing is wrong. 1 miracle shot can be done by anybody.
But if you are making strange and miracle shots and more than one of the experienced admins thinks you are hacking, the result is a ban.
I dont know yet who banned you and why.

Well the problem is with the "experienced" admins. How can an admin who's not on the same level judge whether I hack or not?
DangerousDoug for example, who's a 3star general with almost 4000 hours to his name has shown in a previous post here that he's not even fully aware of the bf2 spotting system capability after playing this game for so long. He has accused me of hacking back when we were playing on wake Axxium along with some of the other "hacking" regulars there who were simply way better players than he was/is. From the time I've played on your server, I've seen 2, maybe 3 good players. Guys like Jayballz, AOD-Manta and Viper-GTS. If those players would think I hack then it's something noteworthy. If a 3star who has played this game for 4k hours and still can't play it properly (no offence, there are many of those out there) then it's not something I would count on.
I'm sure you have many decent admins with which I haven't played enough (Maybe you, Dogfighter etc...) but the people that banned me are simply not qualified enough to judge.

The question about Doug's ability to command was brought up by BG11 and like his video, had no relevance. I simply asked him to explain his post since it was complete bullshit. Maybe BG11 getting banned is a good thing because now he is free to find a server with more than 2 or 3 good players. You know, the kind with players who possess an "advanced understanding" of all aspects of the gsinterpolationtime game.

Hey Dom! Thanks for the support! I'm vastly outnumbered


Dogfighter: Your reason for kicking me was for an "aiming enhancement", which I assumed meant an alleged aimbot. There was no specific mention of interpolationtime as far as I saw. Now as for the interpolation time... It's does not "enhance" your aiming. It's mentioned in pretty much any bf2 tweak guide and on forums, it's not illegal on punkbuster for a reason. What it does is adjust the hitbox lag to your ping, however, in bf2 your interpolation time is dynamic, meaning the game automatically adjusts it for you according to your ping. I have changed it manually when I read bf2 tweakguides and just left it there since, it serves no purpose, if I set it back to default the results would be exactly the same.

I think that many people including you seem to underestimate the most consistently accurate mid-range weapon in the game: the G36E. If you go up against me with an AK for example in anything but close range you're already at a big disadvantage, even if our skills are equal. I use the gun for a reason and I get consistent results at any range, 1 burst headshots at 100m + is not uncommon at all. Combine that with my slightly above average aiming and constant movement, not to mention the unlimited amount of med packs and yes it understandbly gets quite hard sometimes to kill me before I kill you.

As I've mentioned before, I've never played bf2 competitively but in my younger days I've played a game called Delta force 2 competitively. I played at the highest level, for 3 years from 98' to 01'. I was part of a clan that was ranked #1 in the world at one point, I've won several individual tourneys and I was considered by some to be the best in the game at what I did (M249 SAW).

http://p201.ezboard.com/fpitsofhellsquadfrm1.showMessageRange?topicID=2285.topic&start=1&stop=20 - This topic dates back to 2002 on one of our rival's forums, a year after I've already stopped playing df2. If you skim through the 4 pages, you'd notice that the majority of people mentioned me in the best sawer category, including the 2 co-leaders of the squad (Undertaker and Grimreaper).
Once again don't mistake this for arrogance, this is just proof that I've played at the highest level. I personally didn't consder myself the best in the game as I've played with and against some really talented players but I was certainly up there.
I play bf2 for fun but if you think that I don't have a considerable advantage over most random people in a public server then you're highly mistaken. The games are different but the concepts stay the same: Reflexes, movement, aiming, flanking, use of terrain, map knowledge, awareness and a good understanding of the game. I know what it takes to play at the highest level and there's a ton of work and dedication involved, there's a big difference between the way the game is played at that level and at a public level. I have no doubts that if someone from the top BF2 teams played against me he'd completely own me.

As for the stats, well we've discussed it before, they're easy to achieve and they can be misleading. I have fun in the game by doing what I can to help my team win and I stick with them till the end no matter how bad we're getting raped or how stacked the teams are. The only important stat for me is the win at the end of the round.

fibtech wrote:

The question about Doug's ability to command was brought up by BG11 and like his video, had no relevance. I simply asked him to explain his post since it was complete bullshit. Maybe BG11 getting banned is a good thing because now he is free to find a server with more than 2 or 3 good players. You know, the kind with players who possess an "advanced understanding" of all aspects of the gsinterpolationtime game.

Read the post more carefully, there was no mention of Doug's ability to spot as a commander. It refered to him not understanding how I know where people are by using the in game spotting system. Nothing to do with commanding. Doug understood what I meant though as shown in his reply so that's what's important.

As for the video, how is it not relevant?? I've shown you an uncut first person vid of me playing and getting accused of hacking by a regular. I think that's pretty relevant...

NomNom wrote:

fibtech wrote:

The question about Doug's ability to command was brought up by BG11 and like his video, had no relevance. I simply asked him to explain his post since it was complete bullshit. Maybe BG11 getting banned is a good thing because now he is free to find a server with more than 2 or 3 good players. You know, the kind with players who possess an "advanced understanding" of all aspects of the gsinterpolationtime game.

Read the post more carefully, there was no mention of Doug's ability to spot as a commander. It refered to him not understanding how I know where people are by using the in game spotting system. Nothing to do with commanding. Doug understood what I meant though as shown in his reply so that's what's important.

As for the video, how is it not relevant?? I've shown you an uncut first person vid of me playing and getting accused of hacking by a regular. I think that's pretty relevant...

Ok, back at you. Read my post more carefully. I never said you questioned his ability to spot. You said he was not fully aware of the BF2 spotting system capability. As I asked before, what aspect do you suggest he's unclear on? Do you really believe he's confused as to how a player in the game spots an enemy? We all understand that if you as a player were to spot someone, we as a team would see your spot. Nothing elusive or magical about that.
On to the video. It proves NOTHING. That's how it's not relevant. Why would a hacker make a video to prove he's not a hacker and have his hack on while doing it? This isn't to say that you ARE hacking. I'm just pointing out that recording a game where you are accused hacking (not uncommon as you know) does nothing to prove anything one way or another. I guess that tweakguide http://www.tweakguides.com/BF2_7.html was one of those puddles Mullet talked about.As the guide says "some servers may be very strict and not allow these values to be changed".TripleX would appear to be one of those servers. Especially if your on double secret probation.All this aside, I see no reason for you not to be let back in the server once you've restored your settings.Ultimately it's up to the admin that banned you.I think you already know we have more than a few good players here.Thats what makes it fun.

xXDom wrote:

**Ehh, this ended up way longer than I thought.**

Had you substituted longer with dumber, you would have nailed it.

DogfighterI wrote:

If I'm not mistaken, several of our clan members were in the top 100 players in the world last year.

I was 49th in the world on Wake Island, 59th in a chopper. Ferno was in the top 50 in a jet. Bluegrass was 3rd in the world with the Eryx. And the list goes on and on...

Stats, leaderboards and rank reflect 0 on a players skill level.

DogfighterI wrote:

So I know what a skilled player is, better than most, in fact.

If you're the same Dogfighter previously of the TSH clan, I guess that's why you banned me from there for "jet hacks" before I was even that great in a jet.

DogfighterI wrote:

I kicked him and told him to log back in without the "gsinterpolationtime" hit box enhancement code

Clutching at straws.

gblancov wrote:

You dont know our players skills as good as we know.
We play with them everyday and we know them since too many years.
So, dont talk about about our players skills.
No offense, being honest too.

And they're all wake whores like I used to be and I've played with and against most of them for a long time as well. But I've also played with and against the best chopper pilots and gunners, the best jet pilots and the best infantry players so I actually have a measuring stick. Average or less than.

gblancov wrote:

Are you trying to be innocent or ignorant ? No offense, I am being honest.
Screenshots blockers exist.
Screenshots does not prove all existing hacks.
Screenshots are only useful to use it on services like punkbusted.com and pbbans.com, and we are using those services in our server.
Those services catch the noobs hackers only.

You're ruling out every single possible tool admins have of catching a cheater. Rather convenient wouldn't you say? On page 2 of this thread one of your own members said BG's played like this for "years". Every cheater gets caught sooner rather than later, yet BG's gone YEARS without a global GUID ban or anyone proving anything against him. But I guess the only possible conclusion for that is he's not one these clumsy "noobs hackers" you speak of.

fibtech wrote:

You know, the kind with players who possess an "advanced understanding" of all aspects of the gsinterpolationtime game.

Clutching. At. Straws. If a terrible player configures their UserSettings.con in the same way BG did/does they will still be a terrible player. The reason PB doesn't even check for it is because it gives no advantage whatsoever.

NomNom wrote:

Hey Dom! Thanks for the support! I'm vastly outnumbered

No problem. I've been in the same situation and I know what it's like.

NomNom wrote:

The only important stat for me is the win at the end of the round.

So true. I really have never come across another pub player like you who does everything in their power to get a win for their team. Everyone is always so concerned about their stats or their KDR or getting this badge or that medal. You just play to win and you're damn good at it. I miss playing with you, your brother and some of the other Axxium regulars.

fibtech wrote:

On to the video. It proves NOTHING. That's how it's not relevant. Why would a hacker make a video to prove he's not a hacker and have his hack on while doing it? This isn't to say that you ARE hacking. I'm just pointing out that recording a game where you are accused hacking (not uncommon as you know) does nothing to prove anything one way or another.

But the video is relevant in the fact that it displays him playing at a level higher than that of the average player and getting accused of cheating such as he is in this thread when it is obviously not the case. From this video he has provided you guys with more proof of him being legit than you guys have provided to the contrary. That is how it is relevant.

fibtech wrote:

I guess that tweakguide http://www.tweakguides.com/BF2_7.html was one of those puddles Mullet talked about.As the guide says "some servers may be very strict and not allow these values to be changed".TripleX would appear to be one of those servers.

Considering I've played on your server with tweaked Usersettings.con and in the past, Sound.con, many, many times and it's never been enforced or mentioned, I think it was just a convenient find and a reason to kick/ban him since you couldn't find anything else. If you truly do enforce it, create an MD5 checksum to kick for it.

fibtech wrote:

All this aside, I see no reason for you not to be let back in the server once you've restored your settings.

Yay, go BG. Despite the arguing and the quips at each other, if the ban is lifted, I have to give kudos to =xXx= for not being one of "those" clans. Most other places would have closed this thread way before it got this far, so thanks for allowing players to speak their minds and not taking things too personally.

fibtech wrote:

Had you substituted longer with dumber, you would have nailed it.

Cute, but entirely unnecessary. I would understand if I was flinging personal insults around, but now you just look childish and immature. Thanks!

xXDom wrote:

fibtech wrote:

Had you substituted longer with dumber, you would have nailed it.

Cute, but entirely unnecessary. I would understand if I was flinging personal insults around, but now you just look childish and immature. Thanks!

No offense, but had you substituted longer with dumber, you would have nailed it. Hmmm, I see what you mean dom. Those two little words turned what could be construed as a personal insult into an insightful observation.

at this point i would just leave the ban in place and wash our hands of this whole mess, the holier than thou attitudes from both these guys is just pathetic... it's our server, so trying to talk down to us is not in your best intrest if you want to play on it, playing on our server is a privledge, not a right, and then throwing an insult at the founder is just suicide to your case...

spidey__killer wrote:

at this point i would just leave the ban in place and wash our hands of this whole mess, the holier than thou attitudes from both these guys is just pathetic... it's our server, so trying to talk down to us is not in your best interest if you want to play on it, playing on our server is a privledge, not a right, and then throwing an insult at the founder is just suicide to your case...

We cant confuse 'talking down' with facts and IMO they were never disrespectful but just the opposite. I appreciate the pride our clan has shown through this but you gotta know when to swallow it. We've become our own worst enemy in this thread. Lots of accusations thrown at BG with not a shred of evidence. In one round he must have killed me 20 times yesterday in common traffic areas, nothing fishy at all, and he was top score with highest KDR. Dog mentioned the 1-shot head-shots and if the G36E can really do that with one 3-round burst then we just lost the closest thing to proof we had. As a group we got owned in this conversation, truthfully. Lets just suck it up and leave the ban lifted.

R.Satterwhite wrote:

spidey__killer wrote:

at this point i would just leave the ban in place and wash our hands of this whole mess, the holier than thou attitudes from both these guys is just pathetic... it's our server, so trying to talk down to us is not in your best interest if you want to play on it, playing on our server is a privledge, not a right, and then throwing an insult at the founder is just suicide to your case...

We cant confuse 'talking down' with facts and IMO they were never disrespectful but just the opposite. I appreciate the pride our clan has shown through this but you gotta know when to swallow it. We've become our own worst enemy in this thread. Lots of accusations thrown at BG with not a shred of evidence. In one round he must have killed me 20 times yesterday in common traffic areas, nothing fishy at all, and he was top score with highest KDR. Dog mentioned the 1-shot head-shots and if the G36E can really do that with one 3-round burst then we just lost the closest thing to proof we had. As a group we got owned in this conversation, truthfully. Lets just suck it up and leave the ban lifted.

You're a class act. Really, I don't think I've ever come across someone as top-notch as yourself on any clans forums. How I wish there was someone like you running every server out there. BG and mostly myself, since I can't really speak for BG, never meant any disrespect or intended to 'talk down' or insult anyone. We were simply just expressing our frustration for BG being wrongfully punished for something he did not do. One of the main points we tried to make is that there are players out there who consistently hold themselves to a higher standard of playing than others and as such perform at a higher level. BG is one of these players.

First, I made it clear throughout my posts that it was not an aimbot, but rather an "aim enhancement", i.e., a "gsinterpolationtime" code entered into our console.

Second, aside from all the rhetoric and semantics flying back and forth on this subject, I see above that there has been an admission of guilt re the use "gsinterpolationtime" console hitbox enhancements on our server.

That's more than enough reason for me to ban a player.

I withdraw from further discussion on this issue.

DogfighterI